Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: The different hosting plans I use
I use Interland and 1and1. They both have good plans to work with, I use different plans for different purposes.
Interland costs a little bit more, but the Webtrends reporting software makes it all worth. I use this hosting plan on my aged sites, and Webtrends gives you so much information. You can see what search terms people use in the search engines, what search engine they used and how many times they use it. There are far too many features of webtrends to list them all, but if you want detailed reports, then I would go with interland.
1and1 is a cheap web hosting company, I use it for newer sites. One thing to watch out for, is registering your domain through 1and1. They are a German company and I have heard, that if you register through them, and then want to switch hosting companies, they won't let you take your domain. A work around for this is to register with another registar, like network solutions, or verio, and then have them point the domain at 1and1. This works good because you can get a hosting plan for as little as $4.99 a month, let the site age, then switch to a more expensive hosting plan down the road. You would just need to set up an account with another company, call your registar and then redirect the dns settings on your domain. You would have no down time, and you didn't have to pay a lot of money to age a site.
Why you would want to age a site - Google and Yahoo don't really acknowledge your site in there results pages for at least six months, in my expirence. After your site has been around a year or more, they view you as a site that is going to stick around for awhile, and hence will give you a better listing. This is to help weed out the companies that just swoop in and make a website, get it to the top of the search engines, steal your money and disappear. Google and Yahoo want them to earn there keep first. MSN on the other hand is pretty easy to shoot to the top of there serps within the first month. MSN is in its infancy right now, and I would expect this to change within the near future when they get the bugs out of there algorithm.
Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: The different hosting plans I use
flann wrote:
Why you would want to age a site - Google and Yahoo don't really acknowledge your site in there results pages for at least six months, in my expirence. After your site has been around a year or more, they view you as a site that is going to stick around for awhile, and hence will give you a better listing.
This is simply not true and a little misleading to the reader.
Google in fact does like new sites and will list them, they do though have what is known as the infamous "sandbox" which seems to penalise sites that are new and then miraculously have thousands of pages of new content instantly. Golden rule is to let a site build slowely initially and NOT spam it with tons of content too soon, I mean un-natural, obviously automated content.
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: The different hosting plans I use
Colocation wrote:
This is simply not true and a little misleading to the reader.
Google in fact does like new sites and will list them, they do though have what is known as the infamous "sandbox" which seems to penalise sites that are new and then miraculously have thousands of pages of new content instantly. Golden rule is to let a site build slowely initially and NOT spam it with tons of content too soon, I mean un-natural, obviously automated content.
So are you saying that a new site, can be listed and stay listed in Google within a month? Like I mentioned, that this is only my expirence, I've tested this theory with 4 different new sites. All of them started getting listed, within top 200 placement, around 6 months in Google. I tested similar practices with 2 aged sites, and saw good movement in there placement within a week or so.
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: Yes
Yes, in my experience that is the case.
I'm not sure what other factors would contribute to this though, server locations, IP address (maybe bad IPs could take longer), bad neighbourhoods.. etc
I entered a brand new one just last week, placed a link on a PR5 site and couple days later, there it was in google.
I have considered maybe the host, I use the same host for all 4 of those sites. I dismissed the idea because I couldn't think of why Google would have a problem with a hosting company.
In reference to your new site, did it keep its position, because I've often seen a new site come into Google, for a couple of days, but then it goes away for about 6 months?
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: sand
I think it's fair to say search engines results go up and down all the time, based on what seems to be 100s of factors.
The only evidence I have heard of is that sites do get "sandboxed" if lots of what seems artificial content suddenly appears overnight, to produce thousands of additional entries.
I guess also practises like doorway pages, hidden coloured text and very first grade spammy techniques, over use of keywords on the pages might also trigger a sand box..
But with regards to the sites Im referring to, they have not dissapeard.
I was thinking about this over the weekend, and are you talking about your site appearing in the search engines, meaning they are indexed? Because what I mean't by my statements, and maybe I should have been more clear, is that my sites won't appear in the top 200 of the results pages for about 6 months. They are all indexed within a day or two, but I don't see them in the results pages for 6 months, I only monitor up to position 200.
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: press
flann wrote:
I was thinking about this over the weekend, and are you talking about your site appearing in the search engines, meaning they are indexed? Because what I mean't by my statements, and maybe I should have been more clear, is that my sites won't appear in the top 200 of the results pages for about 6 months. They are all indexed within a day or two, but I don't see them in the results pages for 6 months, I only monitor up to position 200.
Again, I've been indexed on a new site and stayed in SERP for many keywords..
The other interesting thing was I had a good incoming link, well a few, from a press release I dispersed about the site in question, and NO outgoing links on the site itself.
Moral for me is that press releases are very very beneficial, and you should be cautious with out-going links to "bad neighbourhoods", which could trigger google to get twitchy.
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